August 8, 2011 Lessons from my Pentecostal Past, Pt. 1
I’ve had the opportunity to share my testimony a number of times over the past year. And the more I tell my story, the clearer in my mind certain details become— in particular, the influence of my charismatic/Pentecostal upbringing. Until I was 18, I attended an Assembly of God church. It was not at all uncommon in my church to see people speak in tongues, raise their hands, dance, pray aloud or even be slain in the Spirit. This was par for the course for all of my childhood and most of my adolescence.
At least three times a week for 18 years I observed and participated in these kinds of things. Every summer, I attended a youth camp with friends from church in majestic Turner Falls, OK. The highlight of camp was an hours-long chapel service in an outdoor tabernacle in sweltering Oklahoma heat. I remember reading in the “What to Pack” brochure that boys were required to wear jeans and collared shirts and girls had to wear dresses. It was absolutely miserable heat. Sadly I don’t have time here to tell stories from Turner Falls about Mud Mountain, the terrifying shallow creek games, the many times I lost my voice, fake-broke a thumb or fake-saved someone’s life.
At the end of every chapel service at camp there were intense periods of time spent in the altar praying. People “came forward” for salvation, to be delivered from some kind of sin or oppression, or to receive various manifestations of the Spirit. When I was a 3rd grader, I responded to the invitation to come forward to receive the gift of speaking in tongues. The Assemblies of God teach that speaking in tongues is the “initial physical evidence of baptism in the Holy Spirit,” so obviously, if I didn’t do it yet, it was a skill I felt I needed to acquire. I went forward and was directed to pray with a precious woman that was from my home church. She instructed me to “just start talking” and I understood that somehow I would just get the gift, as they say. At first, I made up some mumbled nonsense that sounded like how I’d heard other people pray in tongues. After I did this for a few minutes, this woman exclaimed “You got it!” Nothing had changed in my mind. I was making up stuff to start with and I continued making it up when she told me I had received the gift. I was a confused, anxious, well-intentioned 9 or 10 year old at the time and this person had provided a temporary source of clarity. She said I’d gotten it, so I supposed I had.
The truth is, in my heart I always knew I had been faking it. But I didn’t have the guts to admit that until I was around 17. I didn’t think it was okay to be honest with stuff like that. I often remember my Pentecostal upbringing as a constant battle of wondering whether I was faking stuff—faking love for God, faking being “slain in the Spirit,” faking tongues, faking at a relationship with Christ. And the worst part was that I didn’t think it was okay to be honest enough to ask hard questions of myself. No one else was asking them of me. Sometimes I wondered whether we were all faking, but didn’t have the courage to ask each other.
At the same time, these were my first experiences with Christ. I have precious memories of forming a little prayer circle with my buddies in kid’s church. It was at Turner Falls at another time that I felt for the first time that God was speaking to me (not something that happens a lot). And I still hold on to those words that I felt were from God to this day. You may already see the struggle here. My early walk with Christ was full of the good and the bad, a mixed bag of experiences that I couldn’t discern properly.
During the latter part of my high school years, I was introduced to a man named Joe Mooberry—a true saint and a friend to this day. Joe spent countless hours with me and several of my classmates, teaching us to read the Scriptures (something I had never really done), to be honest and thoughtful about our faith (imagine my relief!) and to do all of this in the context of community. Joe (and others—good men like Jimmy Doyle and Jason Jackson) set me on a different course in my walk with Christ than I had known existed. After graduating from high school I attended Oral Roberts University where I essentially shut the door on the Holy Spirit in my life. I didn’t want anything to do with the confusion of my childhood or the insanity that I experienced at ORU (which may be another topic for another day).
I’m now three years removed from ORU and am in a place where I can look back on my history with Pentecost, with the Spirit through more objective lenses. I think it’s a really important step for me to reflect on those early experiences and attempt to grab on to what’s worth keeping from my spiritual past. I don’t want to bite the hand that fed me for 18 years (the Assemblies of God) and I especially do not want to become a binitarian (as opposed to Trinitarian, so long Holy Spirit!). So over the new few post I’ll be sifting through my past and highlighting some key ideas that were instilled in me from a young age that I should hold on to and should work hard not to leave behind.
Emily and I started dating when I was 16 and had just gotten my braces off. When we first started talking, I was very much in the middle of being zealous, AG-ish and probably a little too loud. Fast-forward almost 10 years and we are still together. Having seen several different versions of me, Emily has some interesting perspective. She told me once that she hoped that someday I could merge together all of my experiences into a cohesive whole. Both are Jon Odom, she said.
Hopefully this will help get me there.
Did you grow up Charismatic/Pentecostal? Did you have similar struggles? Tell me about it!
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Mimo
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So many memories flood to mind when reading this. I think your story is shared by many who’ve grown up in Pentacostal church; my mom is one in particular I think about. She was basically rejected for not having spoken in tongues – especially because she came form a Catholic background and, as we all know, there is no possible way to experience true re-birth apart from Pentecostal Christianity.
Even though I am somewhat sarcastic in that little comment, I know that growing up AG I got that impression often – either through poorly executed jokes from the pulpit or from different conversations overheard. I didn’t realize John Calvin was a Christian until I went to Bible college!
All that to say, I think it’s important to be honest about our stories. It’s wrong for people to feel they can’t be honest about their faith and who they are, and I think on the adverse side of that is that it’s equally as important to emphasize that God works in varying ways – as vast and mysterious as the diversity of creation.
I’m so happy that Joe Mooberry was part of your life, and I would wonder what you have thought as far as God’s part leading you through kid’s church at Woodlake into learning Bible study. I’m glad you alluded to our times in the kid’s church services, because I think above all the other messy stuff that goes on in our lives that God always honors and uses authentic trust. I imagine Him jumping at the chance to fulfill those honest, if not always “correct”, yearnings and reachings for Him.
Love you, Jon. Glad you are getting this conversation started. I think you may be surprised at the number of people who come to you with similar stories.
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jonodom
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I had a similar experience with you (obviously). I didn’t know that Catholics, Baptists or other denominations were Christian. We were pretty pigeon-holed in our little AG world. And I actually didn’t know that about your mom feeling rejected for not speaking in tongues.
The idea of being honest with myself and with God were truly revolutionary when I was about 18. I thought it was sinful to admit that I didn’t want to participate in worship, or to pray or in acknowledging that I felt I didn’t really know God. Amazing what’s a novel idea to some people.
You pinpointed one idea that I’ve often come back to. In spite of the confusion, messiness or bad theology at times, God still took root in my heart and in the hearts of the people we went to church with. He won, even if we blew it.
Love you too man. I knew you’d respond to this.
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gabe
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Interesting post Jon, will be interested to read more of this as I think we had similar backgrounds, however I feel like I didn’t have as many skeptical experiences you did about the HS.
Also interested to read more about this Bob Loblaw guy with his Law blog, he sounds like a mouthful
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jonodom
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Thanks, Gabe. Should have a new post up by the end of the week.
That Loblaw guy’s a genius. “Why should you go to jail for a crime someone else noticed?” (slams book)
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gabe
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Would also like to comment that having grown up this way it seems more and more churches are moving away from Holy Spirit movement in their services and honestly I wish there was more. The church I go to is too structured, 3 songs (still good worship though), 30 minute message and everyone is home in time for football, what happened to living in the spirit. I actually see myself trying to move toward more pentecostal services in the future (still undecided on where).
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Emily Schroeder
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Well, you might not want my take on this, but here goes
You know I went to the Assemblies of God church for a bit during high school. Honestly, it scared me and I can honestly say I do not agree with their teachings one bit. Putting people on the spot, calling them forward, speaking in tongues, etc., to me, are not what Jesus intended for us. He wants us to love and be loved. I believe it’s as simple as that. Love.
After spending 13 years in a Christian school, I resented it for a long time. Religion was shoved down my throat and I was an outsider if I didn’t swallow every bit…so I did. Never questioning anything or deciding for myself what I believed and what I didn’t believe. Now that I’m older and have spent the time to explore Christianity, I have come to my conclusion and it’s simple. Once again: love. I felt constantly judged growing up and I don’t believe anyone, Christian or not, has the right to judge anyone else. All we can do is support and love each other just as Jesus loves us. Obviously you can guide people, but harsh judgement is not acceptable, in my opinion.
In reference, again, to the Pentecostal-type churches: some people like it, some don’t. Whatever, I don’t care. Everyone reserves the right to believe what they want, and I never felt the Pentecostal church gives you that right.
And I’m done, hope I don’t sound like a complete idiot
Also, nice to see you Jon!
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jonodom
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Hey Emily,
Since I grew up in it, that stuff didn’t freak me out (although it probably would now, honestly, if I were to go back). I completely understand why it would come across as threatening, weird and too on-the-spot. I’m with you on that.
In retrospect I think it was hard for a lot of us that went to Metro and church to maintain a solid faith. When you’re faced with it (and from people in authority– i.e. teachers, etc.) it’s easy to become deadened to it.
I’m really glad that you feel like you’ve come around and settled on something you can hold on to: love. Thanks a lot for sharing! You didn’t sound like an idiot and I’m glad you weighed in!
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marksreyes
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Jon – I think I can identify with you on most of this. Recently, I had a conversation with a few friends about my experiences in the Pentecostal/Charismatic circle. The stories are numerous and deal much with what you speak of. Recently, I attended an AG church here in Lexington – Nicholasville to be precise. The church was filled with about 50 people, who believe exactly what you’ve spelled out. To keep this short, I do not agree with them one bit. However, I still count myself as a Charismatic to this day. Why? Well, I think the term Charismatic means more than just believing in speaking in tongues. Charismatic, for me, means not denying that the gifts laid out in 1 Cor 12 are for today and also encouraging proponents of tongues as the initial evidence to be more open to the other gifts. All of this has made me start my own blog. BTW, I’ve stolen your blog layout because it looks nice and it’s not as cluttered as the other themes. I may even begin my blog with this very subject. Thanks, Mark
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jonodom
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Hey Mark,
Thanks for sharing. I’d challenge you to mentally soften the idea that you “do not agree with them one bit.” The idea that there is no middle or common ground has gotten me into trouble a lot over the years and has made me unnecessarily polarize.
I’m really glad that you can identify with my story. It helps to know that other people struggle with this. Like I said in this entry, I would have been relieved to know that other people were wondering whether they had the gifts (whatever they were) or not.
I was actually in Wilmore a few weeks ago for CH501 with O’Malley. I’ll be sure to catch you next time I’m in town. Hope you’re doing well!
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Nathan
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Excited to read more about this, especially since I had none such experiences as a child. Although I’m curious to know if our journey with “the church” ends up being somewhat similar despite the differences in teachings and charismatic leanings.
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jonodom
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Nathan,
Thanks for encouraging me to write this stuff out. I’ll be interested to hear what you think as we go along.
You are the man.
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Jules
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What a great read! Incredibly thought provoking. I grew up in the A/G and am actually still in it. Honestly, I feel that the encounters you have with the HS vary, not just in different denom’s but also in each church. I believe in baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. However, I think that the sad truth is that a majority of churches these days are chasing a “feeling” or spiritual success rather than seeking real relationship with the Lord. I think there’s been such a blurred line because anything left for human interpretation is going to be blurry. I grew up wondering some of the same things, until I truly encountered it on a level in which I knew I wasn’t just “making it up”. It’s one of those things where people will always have different opinions and we have to learn to agree to disagree. I think a gift without knowledge is dangerous, which is where I think the A/G (depending on the church) may be weak. How can you fully use and utilize a gift in which you have no real understanding of? At the end of the day, all that matters is that you’re seeking Jesus Christ and digging into His Word to find your answers, and not just looking to various books of doctrine which may have supporting scriptures, but aren’t God Breathed. If you’re following the Word of God and seeking wisdom and insight on it, with a heart to truly learn all God has to teach us I don’t think you can really go wrong.
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jonodom
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I think something key for me is the 1 Corinthians notion of having order in worship. If tongues are creating more confusion (in a particular church) than helping, then they need to be restrained. Paul is particularly concernerd with being mindful of outsiders (i.e. new people). And we can see through comments like Emily’s (above) that the gifts can be not only confusing, but even offensive in a sense. We need to be rooted in scripture and aware of the people around us.
You shared some good thoughts. Glad you did! Say hi to Josh and your folks for me!
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Steven Eiler
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Hey Jon,
This post is a breath of fresh air, and comes right at a moment when I’ve suddenly started re-examining the charismatic thread of my Christian upbringing. I wasn’t AoG, it was a non-denominational church with strong ties to the Word of Faith movement, but my experience was similar, if subtler. I don’t remember a willful decision to distance myself from that branch of the church, but I can see now that ever since I left Tulsa, I’ve associated myself with churches that bear strikingly little resemblance. I tried visiting a church this past weekend with a pastor who trained at Victory Christian Center, and it was at once very familiar and also eye-opening. Who would have guessed all the peculiarities are still just as peculiar since I’ve been away?
I think you’ve just invited a lot of people to join you for coffee. If we’re ever in the same town at the same time, I’d like to be on the list.
-Steven Eiler
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jonodom
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Hey Steven,
I didn’t know that you grew up in a Charismatic church! I think that many of us who grew up like that have had to take a hard look at it once we had the chance to step out.
I’d love to get together with you anytime you’re in town. I’m sure we would have a lot to talk about!
Thanks for sharing.
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Deanna
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I’m looking forward to hearing about your experiences at ORU someday. I was hoping my two girls (only 12 and 14 now) would eventually go to a Christian university…I will trust what you have to say about it. Thanks!
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jonodom
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Hi Deanna!
I would love to share more with you about my experience at ORU someday if you are interested. While I just mentioned the “insanity” here, I should also note that I got a great education and all of my Bible professors really saved my experience at the school. Wonderful, wonderful people. There were certainly challenges there, but it was full of redeeming factors as well.
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Joey Clark
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Good stuff Jon. I had much the same experience you did growing up – especially since we went to the same church and I too attended Turner Falls. I even held A/G credentials for about 10 years. The biggest problem I had growing up in that, going to the A/G Bible College, and serving in the denomination is that there was no place for questions, doubts, or even discussion. You either believed, whole-heartedly, the 16 fundamental truths or you were out. But as I’ve gotten older, it is the doubt and the questions that have made my faith grow stronger, not the indoctrination I received. Don’t get me wrong, I would not be where I am today without the A/G church I grew up in and I appreciate it.
But as I’ve read the Word without it being filtered through A/G or any other doctrine, it has come alive and challenged me in a way it never had through countless sermons and 4 years of Bible college. God Bless
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jonodom
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Hey Joey! Wow- long time no see!
Thanks for relating with my experience. I wish that all of my AG friends could find some comfort in knowing that God can handle our doubts. It’s so isolating to feel like you’re the only one who wonders about gifts of the Spirit, or whether your experience was real, etc. I’m glad that you’ve processed stuff and are holding strong.
Thanks for sharing!
jon
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